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I feel if they actually worked on these things, gun crime would naturally fall as a result far more so than with gun control.
Not to sound like Einstein but i think actually appointing government officials who gaf ab people would help

Its cyclical. Trump's party makes living harder for middle income and especially low income families, the cost of living becomes worse, violence rises, trump subsequently enforces a new stupid law, kirk spouts nonsense, people get pissed, violence occours, and so on.

Honestly though, its scary how normalised it is to walk around with guns there 😭
 

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I somewhat agree with the sun control. However, I do have some qualms over whether gun crime can naturally fall without gun control. Do gun crime occur because of the lack of effective enforcement measures which results in a heightened violent environment? Or is it the environment that causes both the lack of control and increased crime?
If wealth inequality was lowered, healthcare overall taken more seriously and the economy worked for more people, I think you would see gun violence and crime decrease overall. Look, I think the 2nd amendment is an abomination but realistically, the horse has bolted and its a little too late for gun control.

Not to sound like Einstein but i think actually appointing government officials who gaf ab people would help
The problem is, politicians aren't Einstein's by any stretch. Looking at crime specifically, the right wing answer is "lock them up" and impose harsh sentences. As a society, you want to keep the prison population low because incarceration is a huge cost to the taxpayer. The US in particular is headed towards a silent disaster because they have a prison population full of people doing astronomical sentences. When those prisoners age and aren't due for release, the incarceration costs are going to skyrocket. On the flip side, the left wing answer is more lenient bail and non prison alternatives. This doesn't work either because by the time people are offending to that level, it is getting too late to stop them and it risks public safety by not having them imprisoned. What really would help crime (beyond the economic issues Ive mentioned), is investing heavily in child protection (i.e. early intervention) and having robust drug, alcohol and mental health treatment options. All of these (which wont win elections) require large upfront costs but long term, they lead to considerable savings and better outcomes for society.

To quickly digress, most public servants in the know will tell you the reason Queensland has a Youth Crime problem is because Queensland has the WORST child protection system in Australia and it has been that way for a while. But you will never hear Labor or Liberal highlight that...
 

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praying the assassin is a white anglo saxon christian nationalist republican, so they actually have to address gun violence and stop blaming transgenders and the woke mind virus
 

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Not to sound like Einstein but i think actually appointing government officials who gaf ab people would help

Its cyclical. Trump's party makes living harder for middle income and especially low income families, the cost of living becomes worse,
Huh?

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violence rises,
Huh????

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trump subsequently enforces a new stupid law, kirk spouts nonsense, people get pissed, violence occours, and so on.
Something tells me if a left winger, especially someone non-white, had been killed....you wouldn't be phrasing things in such a flippant manner.

Honestly though, its scary how normalised it is to walk around with guns there 😭
Of course, the overwhleming majority of gun violence in the US isn't committed by people who do not legally own their firearms. It's easy to act hysterical about people practicing their second amendment rights, but those people aren't the ones doing all the gun crime.

Most gun violence in the US is black people shooting other black people. If you exclude that, America's rate of gun violence per capita becomes far closer to the average developed country.
 

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praying the assassin is a white anglo saxon christian nationalist republican, so they actually have to address gun violence and stop blaming transgenders and the woke mind virus
So, you hope that this gun violence doesn't match most gun violence?

And this was a political assassination. It wasn't just 'gun violence'.
 

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Of course, if some random black person gets themselves killed by police, this guy would be calling for riots.
omg i swear u act dumb on purpose. who are we talking about right now? whats the name of this thread? who is all over the news and tiktok rn? ilysm pls don't get fat
 

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So, you hope that this gun violence doesn't match most gun violence?

And this was a political assassination. It wasn't just 'gun violence'.
no need to plagiarise the last words of a dead man, have some sensitivity
 

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If wealth inequality was lowered
You say this as if it's a thing that he government can just decide to do.

And in any case, the vast majority of homicide per capita is committed by black americans. Race is a stronger predictor of homicide rate than wealth. That is, blacks from higher income families have a higher homicide rate than whites from lower income families.

The problem is, politicians aren't Einstein's by any stretch. Looking at crime specifically, the right wing answer is "lock them up" and impose harsh sentences. As a society, you want to keep the prison population low because incarceration is a huge cost to the taxpayer.
The cost of crime, directly and indirectly, vastly outweighs the cost of incarceration. If you take a soft on crime approach, the damage from increased crime increases far more than what you could hope to save with a small inmate population.

The US in particular is headed towards a silent disaster because they have a prison population full of people doing astronomical sentences. When those prisoners age and aren't due for release, the incarceration costs are going to skyrocket. On the flip side, the left wing answer is more lenient bail and non prison alternatives.
What's an "astronomical sentence" and how many people are seving one?

What really would help crime (beyond the economic issues Ive mentioned), is investing heavily in child protection (i.e. early intervention) and having robust drug, alcohol and mental health treatment options. All of these (which wont win elections) require large upfront costs but long term, they lead to considerable savings and better outcomes for society.
This can only help if you can force people into mental health or rehab facilities without their consent. The left categorically opposes this, so it won't work, end of story.

To quickly digress, most public servants in the know will tell you the reason Queensland has a Youth Crime problem is because Queensland has the WORST child protection system in Australia and it has been that way for a while. But you will never hear Labor or Liberal highlight that...
Queensland's 'youth crime' problem is really an 'indigenous youth crime' problem. Everything, including trying to fix it, is downstream of this fact.
 

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So, you hope that this gun violence doesn't match most gun violence?

And this was a political assassination. It wasn't just 'gun violence'.
Luna: The assassin committed gun violence

SylviaB:NOOO IT WASNT GUN VIOLENCE it was an assassination

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omg i swear u act dumb on purpose. who are we talking about right now? whats the name of this thread? who is all over the news and tiktok rn? ilysm pls don't get fat
This guy is saying that this assassination doesn't matter because it's insignificant compared to other deaths. And yet he almost certainly supported nationwide riots because of george floyd. He has no actual principles, he just hates kirk and is glad he's dead.
 

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Luna: The assassin committed gun violence

SylviaB:NOOO IT WASNT GUN VIOLENCE it was an assassination

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"Addressing gun violence" has nothing to do with political assassinations though. Almost all gun violence is committed by black men using handguns against other black men. "Addressing" that would not have stopped this assassination.
 

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"Addressing gun violence" has nothing to do with political assassinations though. Almost all gun violence is committed by black men using handguns against other black men. "Addressing" that would not have stopped this assassination.
Can you give statistics please, that is a statement not a statistic
 

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