Does God exist? (4 Viewers)

[Kyufruit]

Hmm, apparently to take them out of this cruel space and reunite them in heaven.

Or reincarnate them into better humans.

Using “hmm” and ”apparently“ in your argument makes it sound like you’re not sure yourself

 

[Velocifire]

Using “hmm” and ”apparently“ in your argument makes it sound like you’re not sure yourself

Yeah. I’m not too sure myself but it’s based on verdicts from people at my school.

I can’t reason with that as in the innocent people, I don’t know how to counteract it. I just know that God exists and that the morale of life on earth predetermine life after death upon Judgement Day.

 

[Kyufruit]

Ye but that's not even true, reincarnation is just something people came up with so people are ok with living miserable lives until they die. It gives people hope that this life sucks but that's ok and you can't do anything about it because the next life will be better. Instead of living in poverty and misery, I would rather work to improve my current life which is 100% guaranteed to me unlike the made up reincarnated life which never comes.

If reincarnation is true, who decides who gets what life and how can one entity do it all and do it fairly? Also, since world population is not fixed but always increasing, how can you explain that there are more people than previously. Should there not only be a person born when one dies and is reincarnated?

We humans are given freedom and free will to do as we desire on earth. God is fair and just and allows us to make those decisions in order for us to choose which path we take in life or which actions we take. Regardless of whether that be a wickedness/evil way or a Pure and Godly way. For instance, Hitler, manhandled his capacity and unrestrained choice and requested a great many individuals to be killed. God couldn't change that because it was the human choice that hitler was given. God frequently wont change the circumstance however he will utilize that circumstance to change you or a country. God will likewise consistently take out positives out of something evil and use it to make good.

In other words, do not blame god for peoples suffering, blame the people.

 

[studiesofboard]

Also, he created the world independently. He was human. He made mistakes. However, in the process he made something wonderful. Also, what about wealthy people. You would think all the money they have they can't spare a few millions to help those suffering.

 

[#RoadTo31Atar]

We humans are given freedom and free will to do as we desire on earth. God is fair and just and allows us to make those decisions in order for us to choose which path we take in life or which actions we take. Regardless of whether that be a wickedness/evil way or a Pure and Godly way. For instance, Hitler, manhandled his capacity and unrestrained choice and requested a great many individuals to be killed. God couldn't change that because it was the human choice that hitler was given. God frequently wont change the circumstance however he will utilize that circumstance to change you or a country. God will likewise consistently take out positives out of something evil and use it to make good.

In other words, do not blame god for peoples suffering, blame the people.

I agree that we should blame people for suffering rather than god but only because there is no god and it is people who are responsible for their actions.

If god exists, is it not his job to protect people from unfair suffering? For example, if you look at the Khmer Rouge where babies were bashed to death by their heads on a tree, did anyone deserve that or did a greater good come out of the Khmer Rouge? That is not to name the torture and other crimes/people killed of the Rouge, something like 20% of Cambodia's population died during this time, would you not expect god to help these people?

If god's purpose is not to help people then why do people pray and go to church, should the people at church not be told that god doesn't help and that he only "creates the circumstances" in some of which people are degraded, used and killed by others.

 

[BrandonDyer]

Either you believe in it or you don't. No one can 100% say that the other one is wrong. It really makes no sense arguing about it...

 

[SylviaB]

Either you believe in it or you don't. No one can 100% say that the other one is wrong. It really makes no sense arguing about it...

fuck d00d those are some hectic fuckin eyebrows aye

 

[idkkdi]

I agree that we should blame people for suffering rather than god but only because there is no god and it is people who are responsible for their actions.

If god exists, is it not his job to protect people from unfair suffering? For example, if you look at the Khmer Rouge where babies were bashed to death by their heads on a tree, did anyone deserve that or did a greater good come out of the Khmer Rouge? That is not to name the torture and other crimes/people killed of the Rouge, something like 20% of Cambodia's population died during this time, would you not expect god to help these people?

If god's purpose is not to help people then why do people pray and go to church, should the people at church not be told that god doesn't help and that he only "creates the circumstances" in some of which people are degraded, used and killed by others.

perhaps god isn't a human . That would explain this argument you made. We don't care about whether cockroaches are being killed. But frankly this would make praying to god quite useless, just like cockroaches praying to us being useless.

So I suppose for the argument to continue, God must be a human. Being full human, however, makes his existence extremely hard to contend. So what seems to be argued is that he is human, yet no human at the same time, which imo, makes a pretty dodgy argument.

 

[Coconut1]

I agree that we should blame people for suffering rather than god but only because there is no god and it is people who are responsible for their actions.

If god exists, is it not his job to protect people from unfair suffering? For example, if you look at the Khmer Rouge where babies were bashed to death by their heads on a tree, did anyone deserve that or did a greater good come out of the Khmer Rouge? That is not to name the torture and other crimes/people killed of the Rouge, something like 20% of Cambodia's population died during this time, would you not expect god to help these people?

If god's purpose is not to help people then why do people pray and go to church, should the people at church not be told that god doesn't help and that he only "creates the circumstances" in some of which people are degraded, used and killed by others.

That is true their is a lot of pain and suffering in this world, this deeply hurts God because this dwells from the roots of evil, God has an unconditional love for humans and that is why he forgives us of wrong and allows us to share his peace, God saw what was going on in the world and created Jesus his son in human form to share these burdens and lead the people to the truth. Jesus was condemned and crucified by the people without a cause, Jesus sacrificed his own life on the cross for our sins, so we may come to repentance. However, Jesus was raised from the dead, which shows how we may have suffering now but will have peace for eternity and the people who abuse the free will of God will be sent to hell.

 

[idkkdi]

That is true their is a lot of pain and suffering in this world, this deeply hurts God because this dwells from the roots of evil, God has an unconditional love for humans and that is why he forgives us of wrong and allows us to share his peace, God saw what was going on in the world and created Jesus his son in human form to share these burdens and lead the people to the truth. Jesus was condemned and crucified by the people without a cause, Jesus sacrificed his own life on the cross for our sins, so we may come to repentance. However, Jesus was raised from the dead, which shows how we may have suffering now but will have peace for eternity and the people who abuse the free will of God will be sent to hell.

I understand where people come from with the argument for God's existence, but the idea of hell and heaven seems cultish and bs.

Cultish as in, the inherent belief that you are superior if you believe in God because you will end up in heaven.

 

[#RoadTo31Atar]

That is true their is a lot of pain and suffering in this world, this deeply hurts God because this dwells from the roots of evil, God has an unconditional love for humans and that is why he forgives us of wrong and allows us to share his peace, God saw what was going on in the world and created Jesus his son in human form to share these burdens and lead the people to the truth. Jesus was condemned and crucified by the people without a cause, Jesus sacrificed his own life on the cross for our sins, so we may come to repentance. However, Jesus was raised from the dead, which shows how we may have suffering now but will have peace for eternity and the people who abuse the free will of God will be sent to hell.

None of that is based on anything real or logical, it's like if I make up a story with nothing to support it and you are supposed to treat it as the truth. All this is stuff is just what people are told as a way of maintaining control over them. That argument makes a big assumption that god is even real to begin with, I think it's important to show some logical proof of god's existence before attempting to justify his actions.

 

[idkkdi]

None of that is based on anything real or logical, it's like if I make up a story with nothing to support it and you are supposed to treat it as the truth. All this is stuff is just what people are told as a way of maintaining control over them. That argument makes a big assumption that god is even real to begin with, I think it's important to show some logical proof of god's existence before attempting to justify his actions.

They argue this by stating that there are many texts justifying Jesus's existence. And this then justifies God's existence.

 

[Coconut1]

I understand where people come from with the argument for God's existence, but the idea of hell and heaven seems cultish and bs

Cultish as in, the inherent belief that you are superior if you believe in God because you will end up in heaven.

The concept of God is raised by the question, of is their purpose of this life and was the world created for a reason. From the concept of God stems religion where there is Islam, Buddhism, Christianity etc. The place of heaven and hell comes from Christianity, where the sole purpose of being on this earth was to determine of our actions were good or evil. From the branches of religion we can determine that Jesus was indeed a historical figure who as Christians we believe that he was the Son of God, in human form. As a human, Jesus was able to go through the experience of us with pain and suffering whilst dieing on the cross for us and resurrecting, showing the hope of eternal life. The miracle of Jesus is still present today in Jersulam where every Easter a holy light appears in the church which is passed around of candles and does not burn for 33 minutes (the age which Jesus died). The factuality of "science" can be stripped by the resurrection of Christ, this shows how God is the creator of the world and is able to create or destroy anything without the logic of science. In order to go heaven you must not only believe in God but be a good person, when you read the bible you will understand what "good" means, to create a civilisation this must be formed from something, there is nothing stopping us from doing anything we please however the bible allows us to determine what is good so we ensure we are doing the right thing, as oppose to for example, to abort a baby is now legal, doesn't mean it is ethical or moral. That is why the bible plays a very important role in living a life that is righteous and the pure definition of good.

 

[idkkdi]

The concept of God is raised by the question, of is their purpose of this life and was the world created for a reason. From the concept of God stems religion where there is Islam, Buddhism, Christianity etc. The place of heaven and hell comes from Christianity, where the sole purpose of being on this earth was to determine of our actions were good or evil. From the branches of religion we can determine that Jesus was indeed a historical figure who as Christians we believe that he was the Son of God, in human form. As a human, Jesus was able to go through the experience of us with pain and suffering whilst dieing on the cross for us and resurrecting, showing the hope of eternal life. The miracle of Jesus is still present today in Jersulam where every Easter a holy light appears in the church which is passed around of candles and does not burn for 33 minutes (the age which Jesus died). The factuality of "science" can be stripped by the resurrection of Christ, this shows how God is the creator of the world and is able to create or destroy anything without the logic of science. In order to go heaven you must not only believe in God but be a good person, when you read the bible you will understand what "good" means, to create a civilisation this must be formed form something, there is nothing stopping us from doing anything we please however the bible allows us to determine what is good so we ensure we are doing the right thing, as oppose to for example, to abort a baby is now legal, doesn't mean it is ethical or moral. That is why the bible plays a very important role in living a life that is righteous and the pure definition of good.

Let me see that holy light stuff with my own eyes. A holy light appears out of nowhere and is passed around candles not burning anything? Do me a favour and stick your hand in that holy light the next time it happens please.

I can understand the argument for God's existence, but not so much these things.

 

[Kyufruit]

The concept of God is raised by the question, of is their purpose of this life and was the world created for a reason. From the concept of God stems religion where there is Islam, Buddhism, Christianity etc. The place of heaven and hell comes from Christianity, where the sole purpose of being on this earth was to determine of our actions were good or evil. From the branches of religion we can determine that Jesus was indeed a historical figure who as Christians we believe that he was the Son of God, in human form. As a human, Jesus was able to go through the experience of us with pain and suffering whilst dieing on the cross for us and resurrecting, showing the hope of eternal life. The miracle of Jesus is still present today in Jersulam where every Easter a holy light appears in the church which is passed around of candles and does not burn for 33 minutes (the age which Jesus died). The factuality of "science" can be stripped by the resurrection of Christ, this shows how God is the creator of the world and is able to create or destroy anything without the logic of science. In order to go heaven you must not only believe in God but be a good person, when you read the bible you will understand what "good" means, to create a civilisation this must be formed form something, there is nothing stopping us from doing anything we please however the bible allows us to determine what is good so we ensure we are doing the right thing, as oppose to for example, to abort a baby is now legal, doesn't mean it is ethical or moral. That is why the bible plays a very important role in living a life that is righteous and the pure definition of good.

I do believe in gods existence, as In the existence of a higher power, but how can god be human? Why would he need to be human in order to understand us? He created us, he knows us better then we know ourselves, he knows how we feel, what we go through, etc.

 

[jojosiwa123]

I do believe in gods existence, as In the existence of a higher power, but how can god be human? Why would he need to be human in order to understand us? He created us, he knows us better then we know ourselves, he knows how we feel, what we go through, etc.

I think that persons speaking from a christian perspective... they believe in the holy trinity so there is that idea of a god who came to earth as jesus (a human). that's where christianity differs from other abrahamic religions who reject this trinity

 

[yooook]

there is only one god, and all religions have the same god









boom bigotry solved

 

[Coconut1]

Let me see that holy light stuff with my own eyes. A holy light appears out of nowhere and is passed around candles not burning anything? Do me a favour and stick your hand in that holy light the next time it happens please.

I can understand the argument for God's existence, but not so much these things.

I will! Hopefully when I am older i will able to fly to Jerusalem to experience this blessing, and so can you it's open for anyone to experience!

This is living proof, if you can believe the existence of God the creator all things, this is merely a small thing compared to the doings of God. This miracle demonstrates what God needs us to believe, that he brought a form of himself into the Earth and created humans out of love.

 

[Coconut1]

I do believe in gods existence, as In the existence of a higher power, but how can god be human? Why would he need to be human in order to understand us? He created us, he knows us better then we know ourselves, he knows how we feel, what we go through, etc.

God created humans as his children, souls with bodies that are able to experience his heavenly love. If he created humans I am sure he is able to create a human form of himself in order to lead the people to the truth. To show people why he created us and how we should live our lives pleasing to God. God formed his son to die on the cross as a way of saving us from evil. Any pain and suffering was washed away with the death of the Lord and any questions that may arise such as "how can God expect us to live this way with all this suffering" "Why doesn't God look after his people". God knows us better than ourselves however Jesus was created as his Son, God in human form, an example of the perfect human. As God's children (Humans) he has created Heaven for us, as we are the whole purpose of this world. Through free will we are able to make choices and if we do good we go to Heaven, and if we do evil we go to Hell.

 

[Coconut1]

This passage came up yesterday and may I say perfect timing,

St. Paul's Letter to the Philippians 2:5-11
Brethren, have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.