Charlie Kirk Assassination (2 Viewers)

[Socialism]

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[Socialism]

Apparently he was shot at a Utah University and has been confirmed dead!!!
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-09-10-25

For those of you blissfully unaware Charlie Kirk was a right wing political activist who basically went around debating University students on culture war issues

 

[Socialism]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-11/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-university-event/105418226

 

[cheesynooby]

whaaaaaaat that wasnt on my bingo card

 

[67atar]

right when he was talking about gun violence aswell

 

[qweeosh]

Bro the video is actually traumatising too. It's very sad to see political violence rising in the United States, the country really is collapsing at an alarming rate.

 

[coolcat6778]

right when he was talking about gun violence aswell

the person he was debating potentially could be related to the shooter

 

[alphxreturns]

the person he was debating potentially could be related to the shooter

anyone potentially could be related to the shooter

 

[qweeosh]

the person he was debating potentially could be related to the shooter

Currently, this is just a rumour.

 

[Socialism]

Those are some shit last words though

 

[qweeosh]

Those are some shit last words though

it is interesting to think about how Kirk became a victim of a situation that he supported.

 

[Socialism]

" I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other god given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational”

- Charlie Kirk

 

[enoilgam]

For those of you blissfully unaware Charlie Kirk was a right wing political activist who basically went around debating University students on culture war issues

He tended to fall apart when he debated anyone other than 18 year old kids. Props to his team though, they knew how to make him look good by keeping him out of real debates as much as possible.

Bro the video is actually traumatising too. It's very sad to see political violence rising in the United States, the country really is collapsing at an alarming rate.

It's pretty shocking, they are rapidly devolving into a third world country. He has some pretty abhorrent opinions but nothing he deserved to die over lets be honest. That said, given his statements it is fair to ask, would he have any sympathy for himself? He died for what he believed in you cant deny him that.

My hot take is I actually dont support gun control in the US. The fact is, the US is that awash with guns and the "gun culture" there is so great that I just dont think gun control would actually work. The US has a violence problem - as a culture they are addicted to violence and it's glorified to a huge extent. Added to that rising inequality is creating an entire generation of lost and disenfranchised people. It's the perfect storm for crime and violence. I feel if they actually worked on these things, gun crime would naturally fall as a result far more so than with gun control.

 

[SylviaB]

it is interesting to think about how Kirk became a victim of a situation that he supported.

Sure, just like hamas supporters in gaza after Oct 7

 

[enoilgam]

Sure, just like hamas supporters in gaza after Oct 7

Strawman/Red Herring. Both logical fallacies.

 

[SylviaB]

Strawman.

Its not a strawman. I'm drawing an analogy to demonstrate why they made a bad point

 

[enoilgam]

Its not a strawman. I'm drawing an analogy to demonstrate why they made a bad point

A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion. This is a discussion on Charlie Kirk not Hamas or Israel. Consider this me showing you a logical fallacy and warning you as a Mod to keep on topic.

 

[SylviaB]

A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion. This is a discussion on Charlie Kirk not Hamas or Israel. Consider this me showing you a logical fallacy and warning you as a Mod to keep on topic.

Im not refuting a different argument than they made. I'm demonstrating the error in their argument by making an analogy. Are you saying analogies have no place in political debates

 

[nsw..wollongong]

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What’s the point of this thread? This isn’t Reddit, it’s a HSC study site

 

[qweeosh]

He tended to fall apart when he debated anyone other than 18 year old kids. Props to his team though, they knew how to make him look good by keeping him out of real debates as much as possible.



It's pretty shocking, they are rapidly devolving into a third world country. He has some pretty abhorrent opinions but nothing he deserved to die over lets be honest. That said, given his statements it is fair to ask, would he have any sympathy for himself? He died for what he believed in you cant deny him that.

My hot take is I actually dont support gun control in the US. The fact is, the US is that awash with guns and the "gun culture" there is so great that I just dont think gun control would actually work. The US has a violence problem - as a culture they are addicted to violence and it's glorified to a huge extent. Added to that rising inequality is creating an entire generation of lost and disenfranchised people. It's the perfect storm for crime and violence. I feel if they actually worked on these things, gun crime would naturally fall as a result far more so than with gun control.

I somewhat agree with the sun control. However, I do have some qualms over whether gun crime can naturally fall without gun control. Do gun crime occur because of the lack of effective enforcement measures which results in a heightened violent environment? Or is it the environment that causes both the lack of control and increased crime?